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 09-28-2003, 06:39 Post: 65005
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 Just gave up my SUV What s next

It seems the women in our lives influence our purchasing habits to a great extent. I normally trade the wife's ride as soon as the warranty expires, our jeep Cherokee being the exception. I ran it 14k past and would just as soon have kept it to 100k but the truth came out, she hates the SUV's. The jeep provided good gas mileage and great traction and visibility but she does not like the handling or ride. My concern is that she is safe on the highway and can get in and out of our driveway when the snow piles up and I am not here to help her. It is at my insistence she purchases all wheel drive and has good crash protection.

We took a left turn and purchased an Outback yesterday. I have been following Subaru and never hear much negative about them. All wheel drive, handles like a car, excellent crash test results and good fuel economy. It presumably will have the reliability of other Japanese cars, although this one is made in the US (my Dodge truck is made in Mexico). The VW we owned was made in Mexico, nice car but the moldings fell off it.

Does anyone have experience with these? The only negative I have heard is up to last year they have had some front brake problems ie warped rotors and some wind noise near the mirrors, which I did not notice when we test drove one.






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 09-28-2003, 07:43 Post: 65011
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So she does not need it, the service department needs the work, correct Harvey?

They threw an extended warranty offer at us when we were sent to the "finance manager". This guy needed some H/R guidance, did not know his product and was insulted when I questioned the package he was offering. For $850 I could purchase a bumper to bumper that covered an additional 24k to run up to 60k total. He claimed the warranty was $325 and the rest was the oil changes and tire rotations for the warranty period. I said how many oil changes is that? He said he thought it was eight (Subaru suggests a change at 3750 miles), you can figure the rest for yourself. I said "give me the warranty and keep the oil changes, I do that myself". So I have bumper to bumper coverage to 60k for an additional $325. I think he screwed up as I spotted him running into the manager's office as we left the showroom, he seemed upset, wonder why.






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 09-28-2003, 08:31 Post: 65014
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It is a factory extended warranty Tom, the rest was a dealer add-on that has questionable value. I will probably bring it to the dealer from time to time for service, usually do that during the sloppy season as it is not worth getting covered with slush to save five bucks on an oil change.

As far as saving receipts, I put the oil and filter invoices in the glove box of each vehicle. As long as the oil doesn't look like mud when it comes in on a hook I doubt that will ever be a problem. From what I have read, the durability of the boxer engine is comparable to that of the old slant six, if not better. So my presumption is that any problem which may occur down the road will most likely be electrical in nature or not related to the drive line.






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 09-28-2003, 18:34 Post: 65034
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I used to buy from a dealer that did the loaner thing but I was treated poorly on some other issues. They had the private offices where they sold you the car, fed you coffee and pampered you. My wife's VW was vandalized and I sent it right there for repair, to my surprise it was in terrible condition when returned. Filthily inside, terrible paint work not to mention stunk like a can of lacquer thinner so badly you could barely drive it with the windows open. Now I shop price along with a reputable dealer and don't expect more than that. The place we just dealt with has a free shuttle, works for me.






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 09-29-2003, 19:30 Post: 65105
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You are either a Wrangler fan or you aren't, there is no middle ground with them. I learned to drive standard shift on a 49 Willie flat hood and have had an affection for them ever since. In fact, when we went to road test the Liberty a week ago there was a new Rubicon in black on the floor. I would have given my eye teeth for it but the wife worked some sense back into my emotions. I still miss my 94 Wrangler!






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Sounds as though the wife had good instinct regarding the car. Was a sad moment last night when I parked the Cherokee for the last time, it went 50k and the only $$ I put in it was to turn the rotors and replace pads. A couple of things were done under warranty, the most serious was a front wheel bearing. Blew through two sets of those in my S-10 over a period of 100k. I can't believe how well these new tires wear. Those Michelin's were still in excellent condition with probably 25k left in them.

She drove it to the city today and was a bit nervous but the report came back with a thumbs up, so we shall see if she keeps it the 60k it is covered bumper to bumper.






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